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Cowtown
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#1 Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 18:44 |
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Howdy!
I just bought a 2002 AF 990 as my new toy (to replace a old 1969 8' Vanguard I've owned since I was 18, and was my familys before that too)
What an upgrade! 
Anyway, after a few trips, and a few once overs, I have noticed a few things I missed in my exitement to get this new toy..
First is some delamination on the underside of the cab over, Can this be fixed easily, (As in..Can I do this myself?)
Second is the slide, it seems to be unsquare, in that the spacing around the rubber skirt has lots of room at the front and top (about right at the front and bottom) and no space at all at the top and back (but again about right at the back bottom)
When it is moved in or out the top back trim (of the slide) catches on the top back seal trim (on the camper)
When open, there is plenty of space arround the top fridge are (I can clearly see the seal inside) and the back seems tight.
There is no phisical indication of damage to the top front of the slide, as I thoght pehaps it had been hit and the top shifted back.
I have yet to get out a square and a tape measure, but I will.
Is there any way, to adjust the slide as to move it forward some? So it doesnt hit at the back..
Thanks in advance
Cow...
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#2 Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 02:27 |
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I have same camper and my wife and I love it. We also had a 1979? camper before trading up. 1st Q, I noted same problem for 3-4 years the under side of over hang near the front was delam'ed. I could push up on it for several feet in all directions by maybe 1/2 inch. I did nothing about it until, when pushing on the area, I felt/heard water inside of it. I phoned the factory and was told that the whole front outer skin needed to come off and replaced. Good news, I got rid of the cab over window, which likely was leaking. Bad news, I could not fix it myself. The factory guys where honest, quick, on time to do the repair. I was told that it could be a defect. If so there would not be a charge. My case, I had to pay.
2nd Q I do not know.
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Cowtown
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#3 Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 03:03 |
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Thanks Bear.
Jeeze I hope the dealer doesnt have to pull the whole front off to fix it, but if so oh well...
The slide still has me confused....
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#4 Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:12 |
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| You have a leak. Ours did the same thing, they had to replace the entire side and front with new wood as the old wood had rotted out. $4k to repair. LIke new, they did a great job, but will never get the money out of it. The roof needs to be re-sealed 2x a year.
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Cowtown
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#5 Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 23:56 |
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Why is that?
WarrenWF wrote: The roof needs to be re-sealed 2x a year.
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Cowtown
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#6 Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 23:32 |
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Well...I just got back from the dealer here in town (Trailer Town), Bart (the owner) told me not to worry about the delamination ("not a big deal") and that I could always just add a few straps across the underside of the overcab if it really bugged me...
I really don't know what to think of that....
Then the slide issue...
After trying to adjust it forward as much as possible, he tells me that the "frame is twisted"...
Now I am wondering WTH?!?...how in the hell does that happen?!?...
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#7 Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 17:51 |
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Delamination in the cabover is a big deal, you must ensure that the leak is stopped. If your dealer failed to mention this to you, stay far away from him. If there is still water present, the delamination will get worse, along with a possible mold problem. Left unchecked, your cabover will rot out. It seems that AF uses what they call 'UniCore', which is a heavy cardboard material that gets bonded to the Filon. This allows the front sheet to contain all those bends. IMO, the stuff is crap. Well, any moisture, or just bad luck, will cause it to expand and delaminate. I'll bet you had, or have a bad seal at the roof moulding where it joins to the rubber roof.
As far as the slide-out, make sure the TC is on the truck, or leveled on the ground. Camper frames flex a lot. My slide wall is bolted in place using the slide assy, I don't think it would be too difficult to re-adjust. If your frame is damaged, your would probably see physical signs of that or the external shell.
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#8 Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 20:08 |
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| Would suggest the dealer in Lethbridge Elrorado RV, they seem to really know teir stuff and can probably resolve the issure properly. Not likely cheap
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Cowtown
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#9 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 15:17 |
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Thats the stange thing FF1063, there doesnt seem to be anywhere where it is leaking, all of the seams seem fine, there is no delam near the window , just off to one side.
I am going to run a new bead or silicone (it is silicone right?) along the side where it is most predominate.
The "just add some strapping across the underside of the cabover" part has me wondering though..
How would one determine where to screw it in, or if this is even advised.....
The "frame twist" thing has me scratching my head too..he said that it looked like someone backed the camper into something, but all I see is a few rub marks (like against a tree branch) how could that "twist" the frame enought to cause the slide out to start jamming up? I don't know...
Maybe a come-along a big tree and some kind of hook to pull the whole camper "back" by grabbing it with something (a strap?!?) throught the slideout opening and out the back door?...
Somehow I need to get this straitened out....
Here I thought I was getting a good deal..."caveat emptor" D'oh!!
Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 15:17 by Cowtown
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Cowtown
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#10 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 22:57 |
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So I worked on this slide problem all morning.
Built a clamp to grab the slide pocket, tied it to my 4x4, but no success..
So I called over the local framer, he said " lets just shimm it up" so thats what we did..
I was quite disapointed to find that the whole slide is just held on, by 8 bolts
4 inside and 4 outside..man is that cheap..
So I undid the back 4 bolts on the back slide arm (2 inside and 2 outside) replaced the bolts. (the inside step cover is held on by a hand full of #8 robertson screws, and the outside set can be reached from under the carpet of the back slide storage access)
Then using a pry bar, just lifted the slide up and placed a 1" shimm under each spot where the slide attaches to the slide arm..
Bingo..no more binding..doesnt look 100% but at this point at least I can camp for the rest of the summer without worrying about not getting the slide out...
Now to get the silicone out...
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#11 Posted: Wed Jul 8th, 2009 06:29 |
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Silicon is NOT recommended! See this post: http://www.afnash.com/forum/forum9/8882.html
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Cowtown
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#12 Posted: Thu Jul 9th, 2009 02:21 |
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I dont see anywhere there, where is says its not recomended...
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#13 Posted: Thu Jul 9th, 2009 03:50 |
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Cowtown wrote: I dont see anywhere there, where is says its not recomended...
Cowtown, one of those posts is mine and I said that after 6 months it looked horrid. It was covered with dirt the was embedded in the silicone. So just to be clear: the silicone did the job of preventing leaks but it looks like crap. Your call.
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Cowtown
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#14 Posted: Thu Jul 9th, 2009 17:21 |
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To be honest I dont thing I have a leak, I'm figuring the delam is due to the PO backing into something (his garage I think) that caused the twist in the TC frame..thus causing the delam.
What about some latex caulk, like the stuff that is used around the exterior of our house windows?
It seems to last for years, drys quick and does not attract dirt...
I guess I could always be the guinney pig and report back...
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#15 Posted: Fri Jul 10th, 2009 00:58 |
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I use this for sealing around the camper.
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/product/proflex-rv-flexible-sealant/3245
I use the Dicor self leveling Lap sealant for roof seam areas.
Last edited on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 00:59 by FF1063
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#16 Posted: Fri Jul 24th, 2009 06:09 |
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Maybe your slide is sagging.
We also have a 2002 990. We bought it used in 2003 and never had a problem with the slide. A year or two later, we were at the factory for a tour during a Northwood rally. We had some questions about maintenance and while Cody was looking at our camper and explaining things to us, he noticed that our slideout was sagging. He said they would fix it free of charge if we could leave it for a few days. That worked for us, and we were very grateful to get that done. They completely replaced the slide mechanism, fixed some small things inside the camper, and replaced all of the exterior running lights which had faded pretty badly. All of that for free. I guess the way they constructed the slides in those earlier days made them prone to sagging. It's been several years now and we have never had a problem with the slide.
Now, the de-lamination is another thing. We also have that happening around our front window. I was considering taking it over to the factory for fixing, but after reading on this forum what it cost other people for that, I just might live with it a while longer. There is no indication of a leak.
Don't know if this info will help, but good luck.
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#17 Posted: Fri Jul 24th, 2009 14:34 |
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Cowtown: If you are still looking for a good caulking, try Mulco Supra Expert (clear), or OSI ( quad caulking) clear or white. They are both good products made for use with fiberglass or aluminum. We have been using them for years on siding. They are not sold in hardware stores, but you can buy them in Calgary at Monarch Siding Centre on 106 Ave S.E. WThey are a contractor outlet. If you have problems getting it give me an email and I'll talk to Steve.
Charles
Last edited on Fri Jul 24th, 2009 14:35 by Crowsnest Pass
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Cowtown
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#18 Posted: Fri Jul 24th, 2009 15:09 |
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rvali wrote: Maybe your slide is sagging.
Nah, I've been all around it with a square, laser ect..the slide is square, the passenger side is forward of the drivers side by about 2 1/4"...but only on the top..
The PO must have backed into something at quite a speed to force the whole side forward that much..
Thanks for the information though...
Charles, I may need to check that stuff out..(Steve at Monarch..Thanks!)
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Bullydog PMT with pyro,
5" stainless exhaust, turbo back.
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