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#1 Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 05:27 |
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Hey folks,
Just wondering if any 28KS owners have measured their tongue weights? Brochure/spec sheets tend to use dry weights for their numbers.
I have an '01 Suburban 2500 with an 8.1L and 4.10 gearing, so I'm pretty confident it'll pull it. Just want to make sure I don't overload the rear axle, which is rated for 5600lbs, and I have E rated tires on the beast good for over 3000lbs each.
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#2 Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 11:46 |
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Mike,
I have a DF 28' PS only difference is I have the bath upfront instead of bedroom. When I purchased my trailer in 2005 I did a lot of reading and knew that the weights that the factory gives you are no so accurate. I had two ATV's Polaris sporstsman 800 & 700 heavy machines. My tow vechile is a 2004 Chevy 2500 crew cab with 8.1 gasser 7mi to the gallon when pulling. This set up works well for me.
I was thankful that I knew someone that has an excavating company that a truck scale so I could spend as much time as I needed to experiment. I also purchased a scale specifically designed to measure tongue weight. Below are my results what I found out and is the way I have my trailer set up and it works well.I pull this trailer all over , I been to Utah, Colorado, WV, PA,MI I am in Clevland Ohio. Also I should mention that with my tounge weight being so heavy I also had to up to a class 5 hitch. I have since gone down to one ATV which is a Polaris 800 Touring and I keep it over the axles as well.
Trailer/Truck weights:
Truck:. 2 passengers full tank of fuel 7,460 Lbs
Trailer loaded with 90 gal H2O, 15 gal. fuel in fuel station = 11,400 Lbs.
Total combined Truck + Trailer = 18,680 Lbs.
ATV's loaded behind the axles:
(2) ATV's 1st 500, 2nd 700 Tongue Wt; 860 Lbs.
Polaris 800 ATV weigh's 860 lbs. fuel tank of fuel.
Loaded over axles:
Loaded 1st; 500, 2nd 700 Tongue Wt. 1340 Lbs.
Loaded 1st ; 700, 2nd 500 Tongue Wt. 1280 Lbs
Tongue Wt: 10%-15% of total trailer Wt.
1,280 Div by 11,400 = 11.2% Tongue Wt.
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#3 Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 14:46 |
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Mike,
I recommend putting your tow vehicle on a scale and see where it is with weight. Try and scale just the front axle as well so you know how your weight is distributed. Load it with fuel, gear and family to get a realistic number.
Besides rear axle and tire ratings, you also need to consider your GVWR, GCWR and front axle rating. Exceeding any of these can be bad.
Protector also brings up a good point about the hitch. My truck came with a Class V hitch, but if he had to upgrade then you might have to do the same as well.
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#4 Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 23:32 |
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Thanks for the info guys.
I've been over the scales with the family (and dog) and if I remember correctly (it was a while ago) I was 1700lbs under my GVWR of 8600, with most of it because of a "light" rear end.
As for GCWR, I have no worries there as mine is 20K....or was it only 19K??Hmmm.
Thanks for the numbers as it gives me a pretty good idea of where we'd be at. We don't have any motorized toys (yet), so it'd be packed with bicycles (6 or so) and our full size BBQ (much more efficient when cooking for 3 teen boys). Would probably load them behind the axles to lighten the tongue a bit without any ill effects.
A new receiver is in the works anyways as the OEM one is starting to deform where the locking pin goes through. Not a big deal as I knew when buying the 'Burb that the OEM hitches were only OK at best.
Cheers,
Mike
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#5 Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 20:59 |
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Ya, be sure to change that hitch and get a GOOD WD hitch in the 14k range (I bent a 12k WD setup). Your rear axle weight should be fine, but watch your gross combined weight. IIRC mine is is around 19,500 without toys. that would be full fresh water, fuel station, gear, wife, and wife stuff.
Now when I load toys, that's a different story  I can easily hit the 22k range. 
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#6 Posted: Thu Oct 1st, 2009 03:36 |
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Another question regarding the unit.
From the pics I've seen, there doesn't seem to be any outside storage compartments? Just wondering where folks store their lawn chairs/tools etc?
Mike
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#7 Posted: Thu Oct 1st, 2009 16:13 |
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I don't have the on-board generator, so I store everything there as far as 'trailer stuff'. There is also a small compartment next to the generator compartment. It's not real big, but it's big enough for the must have stuff for the trailer (wheel chocks, dump stuff, tools, elect adaptors, etc).
We normally store chairs inside the trailer. While in transport, with toys, they just go wherever. When we are unloaded and camping they fit nicly under the rear bed, tucked out of the way but easily accessable. 
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#8 Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 13:30 |
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There is not much outside storage on these units. I however find there are storage areas inside for everything we need/want to take with us for a week of ATV riding.
We put the larger items like chairs and coolers in the trailer around the ATVs or in the bathroom/hall. We keep some of the larger items we do not use that much under the bed. This lets us keep the back up the truck open for the dogs.
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#9 Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 21:04 |
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My 28KS tongue weight when I am loaded is around 1350lbs. Heavier than hell. I am using an Equalizer hitch with 14K bars. This seems to work very well with my truck. Total weight of trailer when loaded up is around 11,500lbs. Thats just with two full size utility quads in the rear full water and propane and everything else.
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#10 Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:50 |
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puckdad, what is the GCWR for your 'Burb (total of trailer and loaded tow vehicle)? What's the rear axle rating? Will you be within those weights with a 28KS?
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#11 Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 06:12 |
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foxyrvlady wrote:
puckdad, what is the GCWR for your 'Burb (total of trailer and loaded tow vehicle)? What's the rear axle rating? Will you be within those weights with a 28KS?
GCWR - 19K
RAWR - 5600lbs
Would probably be close to the limits, but until I can sell my current travel trailer I don't have to worry about it - this is not the time of year to try to sell...haha.
Mike
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