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NashRamblers
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#1 Posted: Mon Jan 18th, 2010 16:59 |
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My wife and I own a Nash 19B and we're very happy with it, except for the gaucho bed. I'd like to hear from other 19B owners as to any modifications they've made to the make the gaucho more usable.
The cushions on ours are made of two different densities of foam. The seat area is a very high density while the back pieces are a lower density, and the back has a seam running its entire length. When extended for sleeping the lower density foam compresses nearly flat making an uncomfortable sleep for my wife.
We have experimented with an inflatable mattress, which soon become a deflated mattress. We tried "egg crate" foam but they do not seem to be of sufficient density to help support someone.
We like having a couch during the day so turning it into an always down bed with an actual mattress is not a preferred option.
What have you done?
We're interested in learning.
george and lynn
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2010 Silverado 4x4 5.3 V8 3.42 running gears 6 speed
'99 E250 Extended 5.4 V8
'99 KLR650
'81 Marriage
Looking forward to retirement! and the next camping trip.
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ArcticFoxCats
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#2 Posted: Mon Jan 18th, 2010 23:49 |
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I know you said you wanted the gaucho effect during the day - HOWEVER, I found that the more "comfortable" option has been to either get a queen higher density foam pad to put completely over the top, or simply replace the foam cushions with an actual mattress that is comfortable to you - and, yes, leave it down.
I have opted for the queen sized memory foam on the top, and I leave it down. But, my current cushions are of the same density (back vs sitting area). I have a heavier "cover" and a bunch of pillows that I put on it during the day, in order to "lounge" on if you want to lay down and read, or whatever.
I think the gaucho option is extremely uncomfortable to begin with - hence, the cushions themselves do not leave a lot of options. Do a search on "19B" and you may find a couple of others who have talked about this subject before.
Good luck.
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07 Chev Classic 2500 Diesel 6.6-LBZ/6spd-Allison /Crew Cab /ShortBed /AirBags
45gal $$$ Trnsfr Flow /BrakeSmart /Equal-i-zer
EnKay mudflaps /XDR Hitch Receiver
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Redfernclan
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#3 Posted: Tue Jan 19th, 2010 00:56 |
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| We have a Nash 21C and the first night was a long one. Cushions are great for sitting on, lots of support. when we make it into a bed, it turns into a torture bed for us. We bought a two inch memory foam pad for the top. Haven't tried it yet, but well let you all know. We sleep on the dinette, kids on the two couches. If this works, we'll buy two more and just roll them up and put them in trash bags for storage in the tub. Not sure how much use it is going to get anyway. We are usually two night campers.
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Landshark
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#4 Posted: Wed Jan 20th, 2010 18:33 |
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Hey, NashRamblers...
I have a 17C, and I feel your pain! I've been looking for the perfect solution for a while now... haven't found it yet. Til then here's what we've found..
Good quality bed foam is expensive. I've found a wholesale foam company in the Tacoma , WA area (close enough for me to drive), and I figure it would cost $400 to $600 to replace the stock cushions... with no guarantees that this would do the trick. There's more kinds of foam than you'd think and it would be easy to get it wrong.
My local Costco has a memory foam mattress topper, queen size, for about $140. Seems pretty soft to me, but it couldn't hurt. At that price, it's the cheapest possible solution we've found. Currently, we roll out 2 medium weight Coleman sleeping bags and sleep on top of them with blankets over us. Somewnat lumpy, but better than the standard cushions alone by a long shot. If/when you get up at night, your "pit" is waiting for you when you get back.
Now, the 17c is just 7.5 feet wide, so our couch-o may be shorter than yours. Because it's not the length of a queen bed, it's tougher to find a fit with mattress pads.
I've begun to explore air matresses, but any that won't leave you flat are fairly expensive.
What really seemed hopeful was a futon matress. We have a futon, so we lugged the heavy matress out to the trailer, squeezed it thru the door and found that it "almost" fit. A bit too long, so it might work for you. Ours is a nicer, thicker matress, so it's just too stiff to fold easily. That would keep it from working as a couch in the trailer. I'm thinking that a cheaper, less thick futon matress would work for you, especially if you have room for a queen matress. They're meant to fold in half, but you may ned to fit a strip of hardwood along the front edge of the bed to hold the matress in place while it's learning to serve as a couch. There's lots of places online to shop and compare futon matresses, and they'll supply you with almost too much info. If you can get a live body on the phone, thay may say they replace RV matresses all the time and have some further information.
Best of luck in your search. Keep us posted with any news!
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2005 Chevy Avalanche Z71 4X4, 5.3 Liter/323 CID V8, 4L60E Trans, 3.41 PosiTraction Rear,Prodigy controller, Draw-Tite Trunnion WD Hitch & Sway Control. Nash 17C, the "Hobo Chateau" or the "Tiltin' Hilton".
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ArcticFoxCats
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#5 Posted: Thu Jan 21st, 2010 01:10 |
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Two things: I had thought about pulling the gaucho completely out and replacing it with the regular Jack-knife sofa that comes in the 22 & 25R, type. (Just because the gaucho is so very uncomfortable to SIT on.) But, for whatever reason, did not do that.
Also, the 19B does not have a lot of "extra" room for, i.e. a large queen-sized foam pad or mattress topper, to be stuffed somewhere when you are not using the bed as a bed. THAT is why I opted to just put the gaucho down, and make it into a bed, but one that you can lounge, sit on, during the day. AND, you have all of the storage space underneath with the bed extended.
Happy squishing, squirming, or whatever else it takes to make ya' comfy!!!
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07 Nash 19B Hardside (my "wittle foxy" )
07 Chev Classic 2500 Diesel 6.6-LBZ/6spd-Allison /Crew Cab /ShortBed /AirBags
45gal $$$ Trnsfr Flow /BrakeSmart /Equal-i-zer
EnKay mudflaps /XDR Hitch Receiver
09 400cc CanAm ATV
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b7xv
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#6 Posted: Thu Jan 21st, 2010 21:14 |
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| We had a 19b, got rid of it not because of the bed, but because of the smaller bath and wanted the couch. Have a 22h now. We did what landshark did with sleeping bags and a couple of pieces of foam where our hips/butt is. this worked OK for us, bed was much better to sleep in that just the goucho pads. My son has another brand of trailer but the same floor plan as the 19b. They had a mattress made for it, but no sitting area anymore, which now they wish they had, but it sleeps great.
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2008 toyota tundra dbl. cab, tow package,5.7 6spd.
2009 AF 22h, electric tongue jack, fantastic fan, Honda 200i
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Landshark
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#7 Posted: Thu Jan 21st, 2010 23:14 |
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I took a look at the 19b floorplan on the Northwood site. I notice that there's the same (somewhat useless) cabinet/bunk arrangement over the couch-o that we have in our 17c. This is where we store all the bulky stuff we use to make the couch comfortable enough to sleep on when we convert it each night. I figure we'd be a little bit ahead space-wise if we could do away with the 2 sleeping bags and, instead, just store a "memory foam" mattress topper. It would probably be at least as comfortable as 2 lumpy sleeping bags, and it should be easier to set up and to store. They come in a small enough box... I can probably compress one fairly small, or maybe roll it up length-wise, and store it overhead.
The use of a futon mattress was a problem for us. We have to consider the location of the door, which is very near to the couch-o. We don't have the option of leaving it in the full down bed position, 'cause it almost completely blocks the door. When the original equipment pads are in the couch position, the back rest is folded into a double-thick arrangement. It's impossible to fold a heavy 8" to 10" thick futon mattress into this configuration. I haven't been able to figure out if there is such a thing as a 4" to 5" futon mattress, or if it would offer any more comfort than the existing foam. That's beginning to sound like those blue-and-white striped mattresses found on old camp bunks!
There's a mid point set-up we use in the 17c, where we pull the couch out to the edge of the door opening, and drop half of the back cushion into place, and leave the rest vertical. This makes something of a "lounge" position. It doesn't block the door, but it's just right for the 2 of us for reading, watching TV, or snoozing. If we catch nasty weather and have to stay inside a lot, this is the preferred position during the daytime. I've camped "solo" a couple of times, and I leave it this way the whole time 'cause it's plenty wide enough for one person to sleep on.
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2005 Chevy Avalanche Z71 4X4, 5.3 Liter/323 CID V8, 4L60E Trans, 3.41 PosiTraction Rear,Prodigy controller, Draw-Tite Trunnion WD Hitch & Sway Control. Nash 17C, the "Hobo Chateau" or the "Tiltin' Hilton".
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b7xv
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#8 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 02:29 |
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Landshark wrote:
There's a mid point set-up we use in the 17c, where we pull the couch out to the edge of the door opening, and drop half of the back cushion into place, and leave the rest vertical. This makes something of a "lounge" position. It doesn't block the door, but it's just right for the 2 of us for reading, watching TV, or snoozing. If we catch nasty weather and have to stay inside a lot, this is the preferred position during the daytime. I've camped "solo" a couple of times, and I leave it this way the whole time 'cause it's plenty wide enough for one person to sleep on.
Been there, done that. It worked well for us in our 17c also. Tried it in the 19b and it also worked OK. Try the sleeping bag, foam combo and see if you like that.
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Gary & Connie Burchill
Otto the Shih Tzu
2008 toyota tundra dbl. cab, tow package,5.7 6spd.
2009 AF 22h, electric tongue jack, fantastic fan, Honda 200i
Avatar: Granite Lake RV park, Clarkston,Wa.
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NashRamblers
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#9 Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 22:24 |
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Thread Update:
We've upgraded the foam in the back cushions to a higher quality foam. The cost was reasonable and much less than we were quoted a couple of years ago.
The cushions are much more comfortable. Looking for a free weekend to make a run to the coast and try sleeping on it.
george
Last edited on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 22:25 by NashRamblers
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'05 Nash 19B
2010 Silverado 4x4 5.3 V8 3.42 running gears 6 speed
'99 E250 Extended 5.4 V8
'99 KLR650
'81 Marriage
Looking forward to retirement! and the next camping trip.
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Princess Nash
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#10 Posted: Wed Mar 10th, 2010 02:44 |
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| We just spent $180 on a memory foam topper at costco. Your cushion upgrade sounds great as I may be storing the topper in the back of the truck during the day. We'll probably try the memory foam out this weekend.
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