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#21 Posted: Thu Nov 22nd, 2007 20:05 |
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| I had heard of some LLY engines that overheated while towing. I never heard how things turned out. Guess it went to court. I thought for sure that engine would blow up.
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#22 Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 01:18 |
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| Me too, I wonder if he really owned it or ? Last edited on Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 03:40 by abdiver
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#23 Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 04:14 |
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| I'm sure the trans was toast also. Can only imagine what his egts were if the engine temp was 255. This is odd, i know several people with d maxs with trouble free and strong power.
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abdiver
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#24 Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 05:11 |
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| Perhaps as Sly old fox stated "some LLY engines that overheated while towing" and this problem has been long time fixed. The current Duramax with Auto I understand are a nice setup
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sly old fox
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#25 Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 08:52 |
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I did some more web searching. This guy was doing this on purpose to show the overheating problem in court. From the web accounts he won - however I hope the judge slapped some traffic fines on him for traveling in the fast lane and impeding traffic. BTW he also sells oversized radiators for Dmaxs that overheat.
Anyway there are several theorys as to the overheating - from too small of a radiator to underhood airflow in general. It appears that GM tried to put newer air flow components on to the overheating rigs - but to no avail. Some think that GM is trying to sweep this under the rug - which probably has some truth to it. I find it interesting that some engines do and some don't. could it have been a problem at the plant they were built at? Perhaps there are blocked water jackets in the block.
Others watching the video commented on how long the rig ran during severe overheating conditions, They also watched the exhaust temp and RPMs - he was in drive with tow/haul on so there was no way to tell what gear he was in - it was suspect that he might have been in 5th instead of 4th.
When they went to the six speed transmission in 06 along with the latest DMax everything went back to normal.
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#26 Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 02:08 |
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abdiver wrote: Duramax vs Cummins
It is bit long, takes about a minute to set up maps a real world test.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/wm/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af013f4333.htm
AAAhhhhh, the good 'old TxChristopher's famous overheating LLY video....priceless. That has long been corrected. In a nutshell, all '04.5 and '05 LLY Duramax's will overheat under the right conditions. We can bash this out like we have at DieselPlace for the last 3 years, or just take my word for it. Basicly, with the LLY, GM up'ed the power and increased emmission components, which all produced more heat, but failed to upgrade the cooling system. Once GM figured out they had a problem, it was to late. That's why the '06 LLY and the LBZ are completely different animals all together.
For those who have an LLY and use it as it was intended to be used, will experiance overheat, or very very hot temps; in the 230-240* range. True overheat was experianced by very few people (10% at best), most report major temp swings and everyone reports how loud the darn clutch fan is, all the time when towing. TxChristopher (guy in the video) sells a product that he designed and tested to cure the LLY overheat. It's called the Rad Mod V2, which is a second radiator that mounts, basicly, where the front skidplate is. I have one on mine and I tell you, not only does it work, now I rarely get any clutch fan enguagment at all. My truck pulls 10x better than it ever has and I'll put it up against anything anyone can dish out.
TxChristopher won the lawsuit against GM and basicly got $30k and kept his truck, just for proving GM was advertising a truck that couldn't do what it was built to do. All of this has been corrected with the newer trucks.
Here is a picture if TxC doing a burnout in his famous truck:
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#27 Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 02:41 |
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On a side note on this Popular Mechanics 'test'. I don't like any 'test' these people do. 9600#????? wow, that's big for a 1 ton Let's put some weight back there, say 13,000# and add a 13' wall to give it some drag like we pull every weekend with our rv's. Now we have a test. Why one SRW and the others DRW???? Make it completely level guys.
In a nutshell, all the Big 3 are great trucks, all have ups and downs, but all of them will get the job done.
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#28 Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 23:25 |
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Bonediggity, It was not PMs fault that the truck they ask for from GM was not delivered. GM is who blew it by sending in an SRW. Ford also included an opt 5th wheel hitch. As for the load chosen - it probably represents what a contractor etc would be towing on a daily basis. Don't forget that these trucks are designed for being "used" on a daily basis - such as contractors and full time RVers. If would have been interesting to see how much difference a large frontal area trailer would have made on the outcome - I know that GM has a trailer simulator that has a wall that can be extended to simulate a TT or lowered to present a more streamlined load.
As I noted in an earlier post here - Edmunds tested trucks in 06 and loaded each to the same % of CGWR - 81%. http://www.Pickuptruck.com borrowed GM's slugs when they did their six truck shoot out - the big three gas vs diesel.
On a side note I don't understand why they even make an SRW 1T as the payload is only 600 - 700 lbs more than a 3/4T while the DRW is closer to 1700lbs more The exact amount depends on the truck's configuration - my numbers were comparing like configurations.
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#29 Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 17:50 |
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| why doesnt toyota make a one tonne? im sure they would blow the others away like they do everywhere else.
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#30 Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 19:18 |
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| I've seen many posts on various rv forums wishing just that--a 3/4 or 1 ton Toyota--and diesel available!
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#31 Posted: Sun Jan 6th, 2008 00:23 |
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foxyrvlady wrote: I've seen many posts on various rv forums wishing just that--a 3/4 or 1 ton Toyota--and diesel available!
Toyota now has #2 spot, look for a full range of vehicles soon, their 3/4 ton turbo diesel hybrid will get 32 mpg towing 15K at 75 mph, but like when the prius first hit the showrooms you had to get on the list and pay a premium 
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#32 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 01:34 |
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Procrastin8or wrote: their 3/4 ton turbo diesel hybrid will get 32 mpg towing 15K at 75 mph
"Hybrid" with what? Electric? Possible... the 15K lbs will be the batteries it needs to run! I will believe it when I see it. That will be the day when used Peterbuilts will be given away for free.
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#33 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 01:43 |
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PaulDaisy wrote: Procrastin8or wrote: their 3/4 ton turbo diesel hybrid will get 32 mpg towing 15K at 75 mph
"Hybrid" with what? Electric? Possible... the 15K lbs will be the batteries it needs to run! I will believe it when I see it. That will be the day when used Peterbuilts will be given away for free.
You may be on to something there, big rigs may be the dinosaurs of tomorrow, bet your cash on the railroads (Burlington Northern) would be a good bet (Warren Buffet thought so recently), they have RV tours on the railroads in Mexico, why not here?
Imagine driving your RV onto a luxury railcar in Oregon and arriving in the east in a couple days all rested up and ready to tour, or the reverse from New York to the west coast 
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#34 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 06:07 |
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They already do that on the east coast - its called the AutoTrain - no RVs yet but autos yes. I guess that would also give TOFC a new meaning as well
They are also making hybred train locos - they are called Green Goats and they use a small diesel genset to keep a bank of batteries charged - they also use DC traction motors instead of AC - right now you will only find them is switch yards.
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#35 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 15:50 |
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sly old fox wrote: They already do that on the east coast - its called the AutoTrain - no RVs yet but autos yes. I guess that would also give TOFC a new meaning as well
They are also making hybred train locos - they are called Green Goats and they use a small diesel genset to keep a bank of batteries charged - they also use DC traction motors instead of AC - right now you will only find them is switch yards.
They are converting some of their locomotives to Natural Gas but all of the main line locomotives have always been Diesel-Electric (Hybrid is just a new label), the locomotives also have regeneration braking (the traction motors become generators), if they are using smaller engines and more batteries to power the the traction motors, that would be a small incremental change although the railroads would advertise it as "going green" for PC purposes, but I guess we are probably getting off the subject of this original thread.
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#36 Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 04:53 |
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Came across this site - Truck test - which is best
http://inlinediesel.com/deathmatch/
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#37 Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:49 |
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Good site, but note that the test is with 2005 models. Since then each has been trying to make theirs better!
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#38 Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 07:21 |
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I liked the images thought the cat was a nice touch.
Wasn't the 05's the best year for trucks. Least that my story if I ever sell mine
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#39 Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 15:12 |
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Ya gotta love an "unbiased" report that says things like
"As black smoke filled the air, all 3 trucks launched hard from the start. The awesome torque of the Cummins powered Dodge Ram proved to much for our test trailer as it ripped the trailer completely in half! After some creative reinforcement from Nathan Collier of Collier Welding, the trailer was welded back together.."
Of course one would expect such things from a place called InlineDiesel.com It's pretty funny and does give Ford and Chev points where they deserve.
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#40 Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 16:37 |
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The spring rate is much softer on the Chevy and it may require additional suspension upgrades if you're into "large" women.
 I know I will pay for this, as this statement just cracked me up and it must of been written by a guy other wise it would of said large men
Is it just me? As it looks like they used matchbox trucks for there photo's set in some gravel! Ok as I read farther I take it this is just a for fun article.
I take it the creative wielding consisted of super glue.
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