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#1 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 16:09 |
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| For anyone trying to decide what brand of truck to buy, check out the December 2007 issue of Popular Mechanics. They have an article comparing 1 ton diesels.
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#2 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 17:08 |
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| Is this the article you were talking about?
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#3 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 17:32 |
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| Yep, that would be it!
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#4 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 18:28 |
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| Thanks for the link, Adam. That's an interesting article.
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#5 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 19:51 |
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It is a good article--even though they think Dodge is more like a truck (duh!) and ranked it last!  It was faster than a Ford, however!  Brand bashing and flaming are not permitted--anything much stronger than I just posted will earn you a trip to jail! When I first read the article I thought finally someone has compared apples to apples--NOT! The GMC was not a dualie and had 3.73 gears vs. the dualies and 4.10's in the Dodge and Ford. That cames for a difference in almost every category--fuel mileage, weight, ride, etc. What I see is that all three are very good trucks and that in America we are free to choose!
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abdiver
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#6 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 19:56 |
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I am planning to install a Reunel rear Bumper when talking to one of the owners (Tom) about it was to bad that Dodge didn’t have a stronger hitch on their trucks. He said "Oh you should see Chevy’s they are the worst."
Most vehicle tests are slanted, those results need to be taken into consideration But you know what you want in your new truck. It is great we have so many makes and models to chose from for the best truck for each of us.
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#7 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 22:31 |
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| Could not resist a reply to this topic as I just attened the Sacramento Auto Show Monday. I viewed the Chevy, Ford, Toyota and Dodge pickups. The Toyota wins here with all even gaps between panels,etc. The Dodge is the worst with uneven gaps and misalligned panels. Ford and Chevy about the same. It is hard to judge quality of materials but the Toyota appeared to be the best. They are all expensive but the Toyota is the most, Ford and Chevy about the same and Dodge least expensive.
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#8 Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 23:44 |
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This is not meant to be critical of Toyota products but, I don't believe they make a truck that will haul what many of us tow on a regular basis.
I understand that "fit & finish" is an important consideration in judging quality however, I recently read in one of the Dodge/Cummins websites about sheet metal thickness & someone posted pictures of a Toyota Tundra that was experiencing the sheet metal 'tearing' on the sides of the bed. These were big tears, also, & the side panels were changing shape because of them.
With weight reduction becoming so important to truck manufacturers, I wonder if many of us are going to start experiencing tearing sheet metal problems on all of our newer trucks? I hope not. But, I do know that some folks that really "work" their trucks are starting to complain about thin metal in the beds.
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#9 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 00:01 |
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foxyrvlady wrote:
It is a good article--even though they think Dodge is more like a truck (duh!) and ranked it last! It was faster than a Ford, however! Brand bashing and flaming are not permitted--anything much stronger than I just posted will earn you a trip to jail! When I first read the article I thought finally someone has compared apples to apples--NOT! The GMC was not a dualie and had 3.73 gears vs. the dualies and 4.10's in the Dodge and Ford. That cames for a difference in almost every category--fuel mileage, weight, ride, etc. What I see is that all three are very good trucks and that in America we are free to choose!
Chevy/GMC Duramax diesels are only available with 3.73 gears, DRW or SRW. As for what Chevy brands as its "Big Dooley," the '08 production seems very slow in getting that rig to market, The one ton, or 3500, is available with with either SRW or DRW — the latter of course having a greater GVRW (by some 2000 lbs. IIRC). When it comes to Toyota, it is not in the same class as these trucks being tested. Too, it has not been free of problems, excellent sheet metal aside.Last edited on Thu Nov 15th, 2007 00:02 by Shane
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#10 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 01:59 |
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The winner won because it was the "most carlike"???.... what kind of truck test is that.??? Removing 350lbs of rotating mass(DRW)... of course its going to be faster.
Sorry folks... my bloods still blue.
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#11 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 02:51 |
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| With all due respect, panel gaps are the last thing I look for in a truck. The wife's Honda has good panel gaps, but we don't sit in the garage and look at them either.
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#12 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 03:47 |
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| So, what I have read so far is that a lower ratio rear end and SRW gets better mileage, pulls better, is faster, and is an all around better truck than a ford or dodge dually.
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#13 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 03:56 |
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| We as truck owners will always have one manufacturer we like more than the other makes, which may or may not make sense to others who choose a different truck. To me I am happy that they are all similar in what they can do regarding towing etc. It shows me that all 3 are putting alot of effort into building what they believe is the best. I hope to not need to look for a new truck until 2010. Ford will be my first choice but, I will look at all 3 before I buy.
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#14 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 04:09 |
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You can't always go by the rear end ratio - what is more important is the torque to the wheels. Therefore everything from the transmission ratios to the rear end to the wheel and tire sizes all go into the mix. For example you can have a 2.90 rear end and a 1:1 top transmission gear and be equal to a 4.10 rear end an a .70 transmission top gear. Large wheels and tires actually reduce effective torque by the radius of the wheel+tire. .
I just read the web version of the test (my PM just came today) and while I am dissapointed that GM did not provide a DRW for the test (maybe because they sold them all) It may have not made as much difference as one would think. As I have pointed out here the SRW 3500 has a payload and tow rating just a little bit more than the 2500 - maybe adding 200 lb or so to the bed would have leveled the playing field - but not that much. As for the Ford - what can they say - it came with a 5th wheel hitch which along with other accessories made it heavier - they still liked the Tow Command and power mirrors. As for the Dodge, they liked the macho of the CTD (who doesn't) but without any updates the Dodge has fallen behind in the creature comfort area - maybe with a planned update in 09 they will once again catch up.
I have not researched other drivetrains and options - but I know that GM offers only the 3.73 rear gears with the DuraMax/Allison.
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#15 Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 19:08 |
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foxyrvlady wrote: It is a good article--even though they think Dodge is more like a truck (duh!) and ranked it last! It was faster than a Ford, however! Brand bashing and flaming are not permitted--anything much stronger than I just posted will earn you a trip to jail! When I first read the article I thought finally someone has compared apples to apples--NOT! The GMC was not a dualie and had 3.73 gears vs. the dualies and 4.10's in the Dodge and Ford. That cames for a difference in almost every category--fuel mileage, weight, ride, etc. What I see is that all three are very good trucks and that in America we are free to choose!
Here is someone who did it their way
The REAL MEGA CAB 6 door PHOTOS!!
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/3rd-generation-ram-forum-no-engine-transmission-
discussions/192622-real-mega-cab-6-door-photos.html
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#16 Posted: Sun Nov 18th, 2007 06:30 |
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While watching some NASCAR Tech show today, I learned that any moving mass takes more HP from the wheels - even the gears in the transmission. So re-thinking the SRW- DRW situation - perhaps there is more to DRW than a couple hundred lbs of wt in the bed - which is deadweight. A real DRW is live weight, those extra lbs are directly attached to the axles and will take some HP away from the drivetrain.
I also ran accross an old Edmunds tow test. I found it interesting that rather than load each truck with the same wt - they loaded it to the same % of its GCWR (without exceeding the GVWR). In this test the newly revamped Dodge was voted the best truck. If all three mfgs would revamp their trucks at the same time it would make testing much easier . Sooner or later all the trucks have the same features.
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#17 Posted: Sun Nov 18th, 2007 14:52 |
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| How old was the test, things have changed dramatically in the last 3 years
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#18 Posted: Mon Nov 19th, 2007 06:35 |
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| I think it was 03 but I can't find it again - darn web. However I just found one in 06 that was Chevy, Ford, Dodge. The reason I thought it was 03 is that is when Dodge just did a re-vamp. It was also the last major re-vamp.
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#19 Posted: Tue Nov 20th, 2007 08:37 |
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| i will admit i like gmc but i had two uncles and one drove dodge and the other drove ford both uncles and father over years owned both pickups up to ten wheeler dump trucks and semi and honestly all i can say any one of the three will get the job done one year maybe one slightly better than other but overall i think they are all good. i asked my grandfather one time why he drove ford pickup and grandma drove a cadillac, rember this was in the late 1950's grandpa said he could get the doorpanel apart easier so if he was over limit he could stuff the trout down their, never knew if he was kidding or not.
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abdiver
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#20 Posted: Thu Nov 22nd, 2007 08:04 |
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Duramax vs Cummins
It is bit long, takes about a minute to set up maps a real world test.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/wm/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af013f4333.htm
Last edited on Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 01:15 by abdiver
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