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    Built In or Portable Generator in Nash

    Thanks to all the great input from folks on this site, we have decided to purchase a Nash 23D. The last option we are trying to decide on is the generator. What are the advantages and disadvantages to getting the generator built into the Nash at the factory (besides the $2900 cost)? We had a class C before with the generator built in so we don't have any experience with the portable generators. We plan on doing a lot of boondocking and forest service campground where we won't have hook ups.

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    We've never had a built in one, but they sure seem convenient. With our heavy portable Yamaha 2400 we have to go outside, hook it up, and pull the starter. (& its not my job so that may be out of order) It has to be full of gasoline, which hopefully didnt spill all over the place in the filling process. And we have to be concerned about it being stolen. For example, if we take the truck to a rail trail the cover is off of the truck bed so the bikes can fit in, so we can't hide it under the cover. And we sure don't want to leave it unattended at the campsite. So...we locked it to the truck with a bicycle lock, threw a blanket over it, said a prayer and hit the trail. I'm not sure what the downside is to a built in one, besides the cost, and loss of storage.
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    The biggest obstacle is cost. You can buy a portable 3500 watt generator for under $500 bucks. But they are on the heavy side, 100 lbs or so.
    The built in ones run on propane usually, the portables on gasoline. Might be a factor, might not. I like the fact that I can literally throw away a couple of portable generators and still be ahead in the finance department.
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    I like the fact that i don't have to pack gas cans for my built in Onan. Sure is nice when the weather goes to pot and all you have to do is push the button on the wall and the genny is running. You do lose the compartment for storage. I had some bags made that will hold a couple of my camp chairs and just put them on top of the genny when traveling. I have been to a couple different events where if you did not have a vertical exhaust that would reach above the roof line you were not allowed to run your genny. Lots of views, just have to decide which will work best for you. Good luck, Lance
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    In the smaller trailers, like the 23D--basically the same layout as our Fox 25R--you loose valuable outside storage space if you have a generator. Also you are right on top of it when it is running. We used a Honda 2000i for years until it quit running, and got a Yamaha 2400 so we could run the AC. We have a canopy on our truck and carry the Yamaha there--the smaller Honda rode inside the trailer door. If leaving camp the Yamaha would be put inside the trailer. You need a quality, inverter generator in order to protect the electrical components in the trailer. Honda and Yamaha have been the standard, but there seems to be less expensive alternatives out there now--which I can't give an opinion on!

    I realize the newer trailers have different storage at the front of the trailer. Most of our storage is under the front bed--camp chairs, table, Buddy Heater, tire covers. laundry basket, extra bedding, outside rug in it's carrier, and a bunch more stuff. It is filled to the brim. The generator area has our larger tool box, small Weber grill, tire jack, a folding metal step plus odds and ends. Our leveling blocks, chocks, extension cord,and water hoses go in the storage on the street side under the dinette seats in the slide. Mentioning this brings we to one point on the 23D--they did not put door or drawer access to the huge storage area under the dinette seats. You have to take off the seat cushions and access it from the top. The 25R has a drawer under the seat ends--see if you can get them installed at the factory--or buy them and do it yourself. It is a fairly major chore to remove the cushions on the 23D--I literally tore that trailer apart at the rally last year! Look it over carefully to see where you are going to put what!

    Another option I've seen mentioned is to get a smaller AC--Dometic makes the Penguin. It is supposed to run on a 2000 generator. Don't know if the factory would do this. Some people have done it themselves since it can be cheaper than a larger genny. You would need to do your research. I can start both the generators--the bigger Yamaha is easier than the Honda. I have arthritis and a bad back but can still start it (as of last summer at least!). Good luck--I really do like the 23D--it just needs a few tweaks!
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    I didn't see anyone mention sound levels: direct generator to air Noise. (Someone did mention vibrational noise conducted by the trailer frame/walls/etc.)

    So a caution on purchasing anything that is cheap -- the quieter generators are more expensive because of the difference in construction + sound-deadening materials.

    Using a noisy (and perhaps smelly) generator is a way to make for unhappy neighbors.
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    I agree with Linda on the loss of outside storage places for you camping required apparatus & parts (crap). We have the 22h and if it had the built in generator I would not have anywhere to store tools, rugs, and some of my barbeque stuff. I can't imagine that the generator that would fit into that small area on the 23d would be bigger than the honda 2000i. I know there are security issues with the portable ones, but I would much rather have the storage than that spot taken up by a generator. The 2013 23d we saw at Spokane's RV show last week does have drawers under the dinette for some storage. I would have the Yamaha 2400 if we did a lot of dry camping since it will run the AC unlike the Honda 2000i for about the same $.
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    I just wrestled with this same decission and ended up buying a Yamaha 2400 instead of having the Onan installed in my 2007 22GQ Arctic Fox. Price for installation of the Onan was quoted at between $3500 and $4500. This was more than I wanted to spend on my six year old trailer. I was also concerned about loosing storage space and about noise with the generator being in the trailer. It is my impression that the Onan runs at full speed all the time, regardless of load, whereas the Yamaha and Honda speed adjusts rpm to meet the load. They are also slightly quieter. Since the Onan runs on propane, it will produce a little less power than a gasoline unit. Not having to move a 75 pound generator around would have been nice but not worth the other disadvantages, IMHO.
    So far this year, in addition to the generator, I have added a second 100 Watt solar panel, a new mattress, a new water pump, a bathroom vent cover and new tires. Hopefully, that will hold us for the year.
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    Cool Quality inverter generator

    Just my 2 cents worth. You have to be reasonably careful when using a generator with your RV. If you use some of the cheaper models the regulation on the power may not be safe to operate the modern electronics in the RV's, TT's, 5W's and TH's. Items such as fridges, stereos, digital thermostats, converter/chargers, etc. require a specific regulated input and they can fail with poorly regulated power. That being said, there are a lot of units out there besides Honda and Yamaha that will work, but then it becomes a question of reliability. Research is the best answer to suit your needs. As far as space goes, it seems that there is less and less storage space in most units these days. The most storage seems to be in 5W's. It is just a question of what suits your needs.
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    We have a Yamaha 2400--very easy to start and powers the A/C fine, but must choose one large appliance at a time. In other words, not use the microwave or a hair drier while the A/C is running. We lock the Yama in the truck bed with one of those big bicycle chains and U locks. The "fugeddaboutit" lock and chain are pricy but like a one-time-cost insurance policy. good luck with your purchase.
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